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for "religion & ethics newsweekly," i'm lucky severson in des moines, iowa. >>> in many parts of the country, poor people do not have access to fresh food. such areas are known as food deserts. we have a story today from judy valente about churches and communities in new orleans that are growing their own fresh food and otherwise doing what they can to create what they call food justice. >> this garden is the result of a lot of blood, sweat and tears and hard work in a neighborhood that a bunch of folks had given up on. >> reporter: community activist nat turner is surveying a site people rarely see in the battered ninth ward of new orleans. his community garden provides fruits and vegetables to people hard pressed to find fresh produce in these parts. >> anybody in the neighborhood can come by and some time this morning somebody's going to stop by and say, "you got any okra? you got any creole tomatoes? you got some bell peppers? you got whatever?" and some people just come by the garden and if they want to pick it themselves, they can pick it themselves. >> reporter: new orleans' n
for "religion & ethics newsweekly," i'm lucky severson in des moines, iowa. >>> in many parts of the country, poor people do not have access to fresh food. such areas are known as food deserts. we have a story today from judy valente about churches and communities in new orleans that are growing their own fresh food and otherwise doing what they can to create what they call food justice. >> this garden is the result of a lot of blood, sweat and tears and hard work...
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leftism, as i wrote in my column is the most dynamic religion in the world, more than christianity, more dynamic than islam. his trinity. christians have the father, the son and the holy ghost. the left has race, gender class. that's how your kids will learn life in college. that's the prism through which he sees the world. he is honest to leftism. while there is demagoguery here, no question -- he is true to his faith. >> wlook, i'm a liberal democrat. the point is here -- not that he is left or right. the point here is that we know what he is in these tapes now. he revealed himself-- >>> was it the real obam in 2008 or this other -- >> oh, i wrote that piece in the "los angeles times," exposing his philly speech as being the race man. he focuses everything about race. [overlapping dialogue] >> that was also class. that's my point. >> sean: he is saying that katrina victims were not taken care of by the government because the government is against black people. >> right. >> sean: that's what he is saying. let's go back and roll parliament of this tape and notice the change -- the way yo
leftism, as i wrote in my column is the most dynamic religion in the world, more than christianity, more dynamic than islam. his trinity. christians have the father, the son and the holy ghost. the left has race, gender class. that's how your kids will learn life in college. that's the prism through which he sees the world. he is honest to leftism. while there is demagoguery here, no question -- he is true to his faith. >> wlook, i'm a liberal democrat. the point is here -- not that he is...
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lexism is the dynamic religion in the world for the last 100 years. and more dynamic than christianity and islam. his trinity, the father, son, the holly ghost, left has race, gender class. that is how your kids will learn life. that is the prison -- prix through which they will understand life in college. he is honest to leftism. and this is -- i'm a liberal democrat. the point is here not left or right. the point here is that we know what he is. >> is the real obama in 2008? or the other race some. >> this is l.a. times, he focuses everybody. >> and that is class. that is my point. >> he's saying not that hurricane katrina victims not taking care of the government and the government is against black people is what he is saying. and he noticed a tape. the way you hear him when he gives a speech. >> here is $10 the right thing to do. when hurricane andrew struck in florida people said look at this devastation. we don't expect you to come up with money. here. here is the money to rebuild. we're not going wait for to you scratch it together because you'
lexism is the dynamic religion in the world for the last 100 years. and more dynamic than christianity and islam. his trinity, the father, son, the holly ghost, left has race, gender class. that is how your kids will learn life. that is the prison -- prix through which they will understand life in college. he is honest to leftism. and this is -- i'm a liberal democrat. the point is here not left or right. the point here is that we know what he is. >> is the real obama in 2008? or the...
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mitt romney did and he has not been able to get that when most people cling to their guns and their religion and you know in that. well but don't know if there was proof. that wasn't true it's obama as it is on the republican can't. i think there's a double standard mark as you're taking over i think that there's an attempt at divisiveness here that's what this is for obviously we're going to close the election i don't think there's that many people who are undecided but i think that you have to remember as far as i know this is just from the news i don't know that we can say this is the conservative attack the republican attack i think this is centered on the news and the news ratings were in other words what i don't see that in this is about five years old now she's nothing they stand but what i was but it's brought up now by news networks because this is the type of iraq you cannot refuse that works i'm sorry tucker carlson is a is a partisan matt drudge is a partisan and fox news is the mouthpiece of the conservative movement so this is not a news network as you know not so i do not thin
mitt romney did and he has not been able to get that when most people cling to their guns and their religion and you know in that. well but don't know if there was proof. that wasn't true it's obama as it is on the republican can't. i think there's a double standard mark as you're taking over i think that there's an attempt at divisiveness here that's what this is for obviously we're going to close the election i don't think there's that many people who are undecided but i think that you have...
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remember how barack obama was hurt by the statement about clinging to guns and religion, same dynamic. what does he believe behind closed doors about you? and that's the other piece of that that's effective. you can identify with those people on the screen. and you can say even if you do pay federal income taxes, that was really an attack about people like me. i think that's the most effective ad the obama campaign has run. >> do you think voters expect honesty from the candidates? >> we know that voters tell us that they don't like attack in politics. and they don't like deception in politics. we know that attack can move voters. and we know that deception can move voters who aren't informed and and anchored in the facts. but we also know that voters value honesty and we know it through indirect evidence. we know that when the republicans successfully lodge the charge in 2000 that al gore wasn't trustworthy, and they did it in part with an ad that played on his statement about playing a role in the creation of the internet, that it hurt perceptions of his trustworthiness and honesty
remember how barack obama was hurt by the statement about clinging to guns and religion, same dynamic. what does he believe behind closed doors about you? and that's the other piece of that that's effective. you can identify with those people on the screen. and you can say even if you do pay federal income taxes, that was really an attack about people like me. i think that's the most effective ad the obama campaign has run. >> do you think voters expect honesty from the candidates?...
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the mormons are the most divisive of any religion. host: it brings up religion, race, and partisanship. guest: let's talk about partisanship in congress. frustration and the problem is that he faces a divisive republican congress. he faced that even when they had a democratic majority. that was exacerbated with republicans getting control of the house in 2010. they have a stalemate. if mitt romney were president, my guess would be that we would have a republican house and possibly a republican senate. you might have a different circumstance with one party in control. then the republicans could adopt their agenda. right now, obama can of a debt -- about his agenda with republicans in the house. >> good morning, the president has spent at least $60 billion and education which is more than the federal government spends. do you think this might be a reaction to our public education tex ? guest: that is one of the flash point is politics these days. it is about what we do a teacher salaries and teacher pensions often at the state level and
the mormons are the most divisive of any religion. host: it brings up religion, race, and partisanship. guest: let's talk about partisanship in congress. frustration and the problem is that he faces a divisive republican congress. he faced that even when they had a democratic majority. that was exacerbated with republicans getting control of the house in 2010. they have a stalemate. if mitt romney were president, my guess would be that we would have a republican house and possibly a republican...
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role of religion. we have got -- come along way in 20 years but we still have a lot of work to do. >> next question. the want to add to that? >> i do not think the establishment clause was the cause of this. there is a religious literacy problem. the establishment cause and enforcement of it has -- it would be worse if it were not the case. that is the tougher question but americans, literacy in areas, a lot to do on the front. [talking over each other] >> i write a syndicated column called ethics and religion. same-sex marriage is inevitable in the united states. we had 32 states which have voted on it and every time it has been voted down. four state's voting this fall. we will see if there is a change but in every case where the ballot matters people who are voting vote it down and don't want same-sex marriage ended does impinge on religious freedom. in new hampshire a bed and breakfast run by catholic couple refused to allow a lesbian couple to have a wedding reception at their facility. suggested
role of religion. we have got -- come along way in 20 years but we still have a lot of work to do. >> next question. the want to add to that? >> i do not think the establishment clause was the cause of this. there is a religious literacy problem. the establishment cause and enforcement of it has -- it would be worse if it were not the case. that is the tougher question but americans, literacy in areas, a lot to do on the front. [talking over each other] >> i write a syndicated...
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there some 10,000 religions. i had to narrow it down to the eight that was difficult, and oncedy that, i made a determined effort to go out and essentially te drive these eight religions. not to just study them as an academic or as the jurmist that i for most of my life was, but to actually experience them to get into the driver's seat and as much as possible to try to figure out what it is that the followers of these faiths get out of it. what does it do for them? >> is it disrespectful to test drive a religion? >> i don't think it is. the problem i have with so much of the discussion of religion in this country is that we are so afraid of offending anyone that we're afraid of discussing it and we're afraid of going out and trying it, and of these eight faiths, everyone welcomed me with open arms. nobody tried to proselatize and shove their religion down my throat. they opened their doors to me, and religions, the vast majority, do accept converts, of course. there are eye few that don't, but most do, and so abs
there some 10,000 religions. i had to narrow it down to the eight that was difficult, and oncedy that, i made a determined effort to go out and essentially te drive these eight religions. not to just study them as an academic or as the jurmist that i for most of my life was, but to actually experience them to get into the driver's seat and as much as possible to try to figure out what it is that the followers of these faiths get out of it. what does it do for them? >> is it disrespectful...
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major gender or race or religion , but you certainly can't keep them out because they're going to train the assets of the taxpayers. let me tell you what the supreme court has ruled on which will not please. the supreme court has ruled that if the government makes benefits available to the public at large like public schools or welfare, as we understand it, and cannot distinguish between lawful residents and illegal residents -- stuart: the supreme court said this. >> yes, and a famous case involving texas in 1976 in which the state of texas before george of the bush was governor attempted to exclude the children of illegal immigrants from public schools. the supreme court looked at the case and said, you can't do this. you can't keep them out of emergency rooms, welfare, whenever. benefits to make available to the public at large you cannot distinguish between americans and illegal immigrants. that means once here, once you get across the border your internal to the same benefits. stuart: food stamps, free phone from the obama administration, free medical care, free education, go to co
major gender or race or religion , but you certainly can't keep them out because they're going to train the assets of the taxpayers. let me tell you what the supreme court has ruled on which will not please. the supreme court has ruled that if the government makes benefits available to the public at large like public schools or welfare, as we understand it, and cannot distinguish between lawful residents and illegal residents -- stuart: the supreme court said this. >> yes, and a famous...
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role of religion. wewe have come a long way in 20 years, but i think we've still got a lot of work to do. >> do you want to add to that quickly? >> quickly, i do not think the establishment clause has been the cause of this. i think there is a religious literacy problem in the country. i think the establishment clause has helped. i think it would be worse if it were not the case. americans' lack literacy in a great many areas, religion being one of them, so i think there's a lot we have to do on the education front. >> i just wanted to disagree. i write a syndicated column on ethics and religion. you said same-sex marriage is inevitable in united states. 32 states have voted on it and every time have voted it down. four more states voting on it this fall. in every case, where the real ballot matters when people go to vote, they vote it down. they do not want same-sex marriage, and it does impinge on religious freedom. in new hampshire, for example, a bed-and-breakfast run by a catholic couple refused t
role of religion. wewe have come a long way in 20 years, but i think we've still got a lot of work to do. >> do you want to add to that quickly? >> quickly, i do not think the establishment clause has been the cause of this. i think there is a religious literacy problem in the country. i think the establishment clause has helped. i think it would be worse if it were not the case. americans' lack literacy in a great many areas, religion being one of them, so i think there's a lot we...
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. >> i would hate to think he would pick religion over his daughter. that would seem -- kind of crazy. stephen colbert sat down with oprah winfrey "oprah's next chapter." kind of gave a somber interview. i love his show. i didn't know the personal details of his upbringing. he at the age of 10 years old, lost his father and two older brothers when they all died in a plane crash in north carolina in 1974. he goes on to tell oprah he didn't grieve until he got to college, college freshman lost 50 pound that year. just couldn't deal with it at the time. just 10 years old. when this happened. didn't deal with it until years later. and went through, i didn't know how to grieve. finally, it did hit him. he was able to deal with it. he has a book coming out the reason he gave the interview. very different side of colbert than the guy right there that we are used to seeing. fascinating interview with him. check that out and the book. >> serious side to him. i am a big fan of him. even though he made fun of me several times. >> oh. >> yeah which stories i did.
. >> i would hate to think he would pick religion over his daughter. that would seem -- kind of crazy. stephen colbert sat down with oprah winfrey "oprah's next chapter." kind of gave a somber interview. i love his show. i didn't know the personal details of his upbringing. he at the age of 10 years old, lost his father and two older brothers when they all died in a plane crash in north carolina in 1974. he goes on to tell oprah he didn't grieve until he got to college, college...
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religion is important people see religious freedom is about practicing any religion. and is a strong driver of public opinion. people think the individual freedom of religion should be protected zero burma government was. it is central to how people view the values that guide them. looking specifically about issues that relate this to religious liberty, there is a majority to protect the rights individuals not only in terms of abortion, employment or same-sex couples but to protect their right to of those in the position to follow the law that disagrees with their prospective. the public is very open that professionals should be able to follow there religious beliefs as well. immigration. it is thought as a polarizing issue. use think we can find a compromise to have laws to protect the borders but also that respect in the brands. if you talk deportation and amnesty they are polarizing discussions but take the issue of immigration and having some kind of compromise of a cost to staying here has a consensus. this is not to say people are the arguments could be exploite
religion is important people see religious freedom is about practicing any religion. and is a strong driver of public opinion. people think the individual freedom of religion should be protected zero burma government was. it is central to how people view the values that guide them. looking specifically about issues that relate this to religious liberty, there is a majority to protect the rights individuals not only in terms of abortion, employment or same-sex couples but to protect their right...
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follow-up on that. >> in this book, it describes the ethics of thew world's religions, and in every religion, it says, "what's the role of women?" and in buddhism, according to hunt, craudi and craudi, a woman cannot receive enlightenment or enter nirvana unless she's born again as a man. so of course, any feminist would object to that because we want to be first-class citizens wherever we are. well, my grandson is studying at a vipassana center in massachusetts, and i think vipassana is mindfulness. and he knew his grandmother was a feminist, so he brought me this wonderful book - it's called, buddhism after patriarchy . and it's by rita gross, and it's a feminist history analysis and reconstruction of buddhism, going back to the original gautama, who did establish a place for women as well as men in his system. >> and you know what you will find - and we've touched on this before; it's the cultural context thing, whatever the limitations are in a culture, they will find their ways into institutionalized religion. and it's a sad case, but as we've seen, you do not have to be a feminist, you
follow-up on that. >> in this book, it describes the ethics of thew world's religions, and in every religion, it says, "what's the role of women?" and in buddhism, according to hunt, craudi and craudi, a woman cannot receive enlightenment or enter nirvana unless she's born again as a man. so of course, any feminist would object to that because we want to be first-class citizens wherever we are. well, my grandson is studying at a vipassana center in massachusetts, and i think...
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it is a government who can not emphasize the religion. we're finally getting to that kind of an arrangement in the united states. >> you mentioned schools and i want to segue to that. i will try not to linger too long on any of these questions, but in terms of schools, there are people who say public schools are being scrubbed of religion and that is a major problem. then you have people arguing the opposite. is there a story that you wish you would see about schools today, about religion in school? dan mentioned a case about a charter school in a muslim community. you have had an explosion of parochial schools. in the district they are going to open a he grew speaking charter school next year. there are a lot of weight -- hebrew speaking charter school next year. there are a lot of ways the issues play out. >> i will turn from boring too provocative and maybe try to end kumbaya and talk about parental choice in education. i think that is on the march. one of the reasons is the acquired crossover appeal. if has become less of a partisan i
it is a government who can not emphasize the religion. we're finally getting to that kind of an arrangement in the united states. >> you mentioned schools and i want to segue to that. i will try not to linger too long on any of these questions, but in terms of schools, there are people who say public schools are being scrubbed of religion and that is a major problem. then you have people arguing the opposite. is there a story that you wish you would see about schools today, about religion...
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they don't hate us and certainly not all of them are a threat, but there are those that use their religion as the basis for their hate and savagery. i would say no more lies. no more apologies, no more coverups. richard nixon resigned because of lies and coverups. bill clinton was impeached for lies. where is the accountability in this administration? own up to the fact we are at war with an evil force that will never be satisfied until we are all dead. this is not about political offices or expanded geopolitical borders. this is about the survival of our civilization. if this administration won't lead in the battle, then step aside and let someone do it who won't lie to us and endanger our children. [ applause ] on friday the director of national intelligence issued a statement. joining me is katherine hair aj. why this document on friday afternoon? >> you know when you've got bad news the place you put it, that is when we had with the statement. this is a person who is top intelligence officer in the united states government. i have the statement right here. what i believe it does it att
they don't hate us and certainly not all of them are a threat, but there are those that use their religion as the basis for their hate and savagery. i would say no more lies. no more apologies, no more coverups. richard nixon resigned because of lies and coverups. bill clinton was impeached for lies. where is the accountability in this administration? own up to the fact we are at war with an evil force that will never be satisfied until we are all dead. this is not about political offices or...
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egypt is divided in ways even with religion in importance. it is not the most dominant thing in their lives. there's a lot much more going on. all this blasphemy saying i happen to be totally against any loss. i prefer what we have over europe in this issue. if you get down through this slippery slope, there is no end to it. i was a student oof modern philosophy. he talked that -- taught that language is action. it matters and have to pay attention to consequences. i worry more about you interpret that. when you allow elected officials on any given moment to interpret that, it can be disastrous. be careful what you wish for. a month ago the legislature passed a resolution that is not binding thaton- seemed to be very innocent against anti-emetic language. asking universities in particular to not condone or use public funding for anti- semitism. he would oppose that? this is what they had written down to interpret what it means. all the different things they put down, somebody like jimmy carter could not get invited. they say human rights acti
egypt is divided in ways even with religion in importance. it is not the most dominant thing in their lives. there's a lot much more going on. all this blasphemy saying i happen to be totally against any loss. i prefer what we have over europe in this issue. if you get down through this slippery slope, there is no end to it. i was a student oof modern philosophy. he talked that -- taught that language is action. it matters and have to pay attention to consequences. i worry more about you...
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we're going to look at politics of religion. can pastors make political pitches to their congregation without jeopardizing their church's tax exempt status? we'll see you then as well. >> look forward to it. thanks, randi. >> the state's deputy attorney general and his wife are aauto accused of severe lay buzing two children they adopted from ethiopia. police arrested douglas and kristen barber after the kids had a doctor's visit. investigators say the doctor noticed several fractures on the 18-month-old girl's head. they say they may have suffered a stroke and be permanently blind from her injuries. police say the 6-year-old boy appeared starved. the couple faces charges of assault and child endangerment. their attorney has not commented. >>> the pharmacy responsible for making the steroid blamed for spreading fungal meningitis has recalled all of its products now nationwide. the move comes as the cdc reports two more deaths from the disease bringing the total now to seven. take a look at this map. 64 cases of fungal meningitis
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he was pretty clear and pretty articulate on the subject you know that culture is very the role of religion in politics varies across the world and. you know there's not a western or one size fits all model for what democracy can look like and and at least in egypt they seem to be charting or at least beginning to chart their own way and mixing islam and democracy and trying to come up with a you know an approach to democracy that has actual cultural roots and i think that at least. you know an articulate view of mohamed morsi was quite articulate in the new york times on that subject you know what do you think about what's the role of islam and democracy and you know a tandem can they work together because western media a lot of pundits are very skeptical. they've been spectacle skeptical for a long time but i think those frameworks have collapsed with the arab spring we have seen. right left islam is religious non-religious all sorts of groups essentially what the populations want in the most essential is terms they want more voice in the government and more representation of course depen
he was pretty clear and pretty articulate on the subject you know that culture is very the role of religion in politics varies across the world and. you know there's not a western or one size fits all model for what democracy can look like and and at least in egypt they seem to be charting or at least beginning to chart their own way and mixing islam and democracy and trying to come up with a you know an approach to democracy that has actual cultural roots and i think that at least. you know an...
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as a religion islam how is interpreted by human beings and how they create political projects with the idea of their position with the cause but that's a separate issue about within that spectrum you have various trends as you have with any other parts of the world you have muslims who see who see that democracy is a person i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break gentlemen now and after that short break we'll continue our discussion of the future of the arab spring state or. anything. live. and. welcome back across time to mind you were talking about the arab middle east. politics. ok let's see if i go back to you in london i'll be quite honest with all of us quite appalled by mr obama's address to the united nations i mean is a very american centric view of changes in the in the arab middle east here and it was very much out of american interest which of course you know we can expect that from the president ok but you know again kind of monopolizing the idea of democracy and human rights etc and that's what was your reaction to the president's speech. and there wa
as a religion islam how is interpreted by human beings and how they create political projects with the idea of their position with the cause but that's a separate issue about within that spectrum you have various trends as you have with any other parts of the world you have muslims who see who see that democracy is a person i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break gentlemen now and after that short break we'll continue our discussion of the future of the arab spring state...
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as a religion islam how is interpreted by human beings and how they create political projects with the idea of their position with a cause well that's a separate issue about within that spectrum you have various trends as you have with any other parts of the world you have muslims who see who see that democracy is a person i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break gentlemen now and after that short break we'll continue our discussion of future of the arab spring state. and. there are those who desperately need it to survive. misspoken who has a ton of money too on the lookout. for gold when the fish out of the suppresses the prize the rights of the food for. those who don't get their share of the change. good by god's. grace and you know and don't last but not the one not us that people need to know about it i mean not look at it from the company from. those who suck it out to prosper. the seeds i'm saying. from you not from. licensing. no one can live without it's in one of the largest blood banks in the world. blood of nigeria. on our t.v. . you know sometimes you
as a religion islam how is interpreted by human beings and how they create political projects with the idea of their position with a cause well that's a separate issue about within that spectrum you have various trends as you have with any other parts of the world you have muslims who see who see that democracy is a person i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break gentlemen now and after that short break we'll continue our discussion of future of the arab spring state. and....
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if the law is passed without regard to anyone's religion but happens to affect their religion, which we did not anticipate, it is not unconstitutional. to continue that further, there's a famous case involving the amish. the homage tried to get out of social security taxes, saying we don't take care of our old -- say we take care of our old. they said the government has the right to pass legislation and has the right to ask a follow- up. then that the case of bob jones university won a tax-exempt status and it was denied by the irs because bob jones university was not allowing african- americans and to its campus. they change at and that would let them date anybody african- americans. they said that our religious beliefs and we should not be denied tax exemption because of our religious beliefs. the government should not be able to have that power over us and the supreme court said to that, you lose. government can deny you tax- exempt status. even though it does involve your religious beliefs because there is some rule for civil society and secular society and we are found on the pr
if the law is passed without regard to anyone's religion but happens to affect their religion, which we did not anticipate, it is not unconstitutional. to continue that further, there's a famous case involving the amish. the homage tried to get out of social security taxes, saying we don't take care of our old -- say we take care of our old. they said the government has the right to pass legislation and has the right to ask a follow- up. then that the case of bob jones university won a...